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If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?


 
     

Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Alex Beard on Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:39pm

Dear actors, we have, numerous times, discussed at length in other forums how we can “keep things real” in a story and/or film by involving and portraying sin in a “righteous” way that doesn’t involve any compromise on our part as Christians.

And, at the risk of stating the obvious, the usual hotly-debated elements are typically anything sexual, nudity (which some say is inherently related to sexuality, no matter what), violence, and strong language.

We’ve discussed how telling a realistic story may involve (or not involve, as some would say) a realistic amount of sinful behavior on behalf of the characters. Some would say that we have no right or justification for ever incorporating “sinful elements” into our stories, regardless of message, intent, portrayal, or context. Others are in the middle, saying that certain things are acceptable if done in a “tasteful” way and if the overall message is a “righteous” one (such as redemption, forgiveness, tragedy, etc.). Still others, on the opposite side of the spectrum, say that context is everything and anything is permissible in the right set of circumstances.

Nevertheless, we are all discussing it on an abstract and “big picture” level, as writers and filmmakers, not as performers.

It’s easy for one of us to say, “No, I have no problem with (this or that) happening on screen,” or “We never have a right to show (this or that) on screen.”

But what I’m curious about is, how do you feel about these elements, as actors? Do you have a “line” that you won’t cross? Are you willing to do anything on screen (or on stage), as long as you feel that the message of the work is “worth it”?

We’ve had filmmakers argue about whether or not unwed actors should kiss (or perform any other sexual acts, for that matter). But you unwed actors, does this bother you at all? And for those of you that are married, are you cool with kissing, or your spouse kissing, another actor? Or performing any other sexual acts for that matter?

How do you feel about performing nude, or partially nude? And, because so many people associate nudity with sexuality, regardless of context, how do you reconcile this with your spouse if you’re married?

What about any other potentially offensive elements, such as cussing and violence, or anything at all that we as Christians would probably not do (or, at least, we probably shouldn’t do)?

I understand that you’re playing a character, and to do that character justice you must do whatever you feel the character would do, regardless of what you, personally, would do.

I’m just curious as to how you handle potentially offensive content as a performer. Having discussed this from a writer’s/creator’s/filmmaker’s perspective several times now, I’m extremely curious how you performers feel about the whole situation. smile

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Jeffrey French on Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:32pm

Somebody, answer him, please. I’m really interested in what you all think.


I guess I could answer, but I’m not an actor, so I don’t think I count!!

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Alex Beard on Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:50pm

Yeah, we’ve talked about it many times in other areas, but I’m interested in how the actual performers feel about this stuff. smile

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Shaun Barnett on Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:31pm

I feel that you could very very easily start a war on this thread…

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Dallas Lammiman on Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:47am

I understand that you’re playing a character, and to do that character justice you must do whatever you feel the character would do, regardless of what you, personally, would do.

This statement is assuming an acting method. For instance, personally when I act it is: I am the character not I am the character. wink

Honestly I have not given this as much thought as I should have. I know that I don’t want to do or act anything that might harm me or anyone else (cast, crew or audience) in any way. I have yet to take the time to sort through where the lines are. :(

For the past few years I have acted a part in the Canadian Badlands Passion Play of a roman soldier who “accosts” a woman. The part consists of the Cilus beating the woman up a bit, calling her a “cur”, then taking here away “to teach her a lesson”.

Honestly I don’t know how much further I could personally take. Acting is a “safe place”, but it is also a very vulnerable place to be. Every time I act the part I feel disgusting, I have to prep myself for it beforehand, and literally wash my hands after to help get rid of the mental grossness.

Acting a role like that makes one very vulnerable. People look at you different after it. Until this year the cast had never seen me act the part, they cant see me do it on stage in the show. This year we were rehearsing the part I was doing my thing, and then when the bit was over I looked up to find the hole cast sitting in the stands mouths agape staring at me. It took a wile for some of them to not loot at me funny after that.

If I ever was personally tempted or found the part to be a stumbling block to me I would drop it in a hart beat. One has to be careful not to take their acting “to far”, you don’t want to get to into the moment and actually start chopping real people up with your prop sword.

I don’t know if that is helpful or not, just rambling really…

[ Edited: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:13pm by Dallas Lammiman ]
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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Alex Beard on Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:52pm

So, it sounds like when you choose roles to perform, it’s not just about what you feel comfortable doing, personally, but also how the audience will think of you?

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Josh M on Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:08am

I think this has come up before, but basically it’s what you do not what they think you do. I don’t have a problem with violence inherently because firing a fake gun at someone and then showing fake blood on them is not wrong. On camera it may look like your committing murder but you haven’t done anything questionable. If on the other hand your getting naked with someone, then your getting naked with someone. If you go into room with someone and its implied that that is what your going to do, then all you’ve done is walk into a room.

On top of this implication vs actuality of course is the issue of the project itself. What purpose are you serving which is applicable to any job not specific to acting (i.e. if your an accountant for big tobbaco your not doing anything wrong by crunching numbers but your assisting an organization addict people to harmful substances). So what is the end result of the production and do you want to be a part of that which is a much more difficult nuanced decision.

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Alex Beard on Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:28am

Josh Murray wrote:

So what is the end result of the production and do you want to be a part of that which is a much more difficult nuanced decision.

It sounds like this is the core of your position ... looking at the big picture and deciding whether or not you want to contribute to it, but with additional conditions (i.e. things you will not do).

Leaving nudity aside for a bit, how do you (all) feel about other specific issues, such as cursing, blasphemy, crude humor, various sexual acts (kissing, heavy kissing, straddling, fondling, etc.), praying to an idol or another god, or anything else that you might be asked to do while playing a character?

And even beyond that, do you feel up for anything if it’s necessary in the big picture? Or do you have a checklist of things you won’t do? If so, why? Is it stuff you have moral/ethical issues with? Stuff your significant other has a problem with you doing? Simply because you’re uncomfortable doing it? Because you’re honestly no good at that kind of stuff, and it wouldn’t be believable?

I’m curious ... smile

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Nathaniel Bluedorn on Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:09pm

I think this subject is stupid. In order to be relevant, or on the cutting edge of your social group, does this mean pushing the boundaries in nudity or other social taboos? So, if I want to make a really cool film, and impress my “deep” and fashionable Christian friends, do I need to push these boundaries? Or, should I just try to tell a powerful story that connects with people? Some of the most powerful films I’ve ever seen were made by Pixar or Disney, and they don’t titillate their imaginations by pushing the boundaries.

I’m not doing a good job communicating why I think this topic is stupid. But it is stupid. It’s like seeing a problem with dumb Christian movies, so instead of actually producing a powerful story, we produce a dumb Christian movie with lots of blood and gore and naked people. And call it an “edgy” Christian movie. This is so stupid.

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Benjamin Dawson on Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:20pm

Nathaniel Bluedorn wrote:

In order to be relevant, or on the cutting edge of your social group, does this mean pushing the boundaries in nudity or other social taboos?

I agree Nathaniel!

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Re: If you have a “line” you refuse to cross, where is it?

by Jeffrey French on Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:15pm

Nathaniel Bluedorn wrote:

I think this subject is stupid. In order to be relevant, or on the cutting edge of your social group, does this mean pushing the boundaries in nudity or other social taboos? So, if I want to make a really cool film, and impress my “deep” and fashionable Christian friends, do I need to push these boundaries? Or, should I just try to tell a powerful story that connects with people? Some of the most powerful films I’ve ever seen were made by Pixar or Disney, and they don’t titillate their imaginations by pushing the boundaries.

I’m not doing a good job communicating why I think this topic is stupid. But it is stupid. It’s like seeing a problem with dumb Christian movies, so instead of actually producing a powerful story, we produce a dumb Christian movie with lots of blood and gore and naked people. And call it an “edgy” Christian movie. This is so stupid.

If that was what we are discussing, it would be stupid. We are not discussing how to make an “edgy” movie. We have found in other threads (I can link to them if you would like), that as directors, we have different opinions on what we can and can’t do in film. Some say that swearing is ok, other say it’s unlawful. What we are trying to discuss here is what the actors think of this topic, what they are willing to do, and what they think is lawful and unlawful. Not how to make an edgy movie.

Alex, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong

 

(...and on a side note, was Nathaniel’s post a straw man?)
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