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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Jenni Noordhoek on Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:32am

Jeffrey Griffith wrote:

Well, if you want to make sure the filmmaker gets as close to your vision as possible it would be a good idea to make a treatment for the script, thats prity a glorified synopsis.

If the filmmakers have the script, wouldn’t they already know what the vision is for the film? Calix said (in a thread on the subject of treatments that I sadly have not yet returned to) that treatments were sales tools only, that scripts always supersede them. [correct me if I’m wrong, Calix; that’s how I understood it. smile]
http://www.christianfilmmakers.org/forums/viewthread/5693

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Jeffrey Griffith on Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:57am

Your right :D

But it would still give them a little bit beter idea…..right?

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Jenni Noordhoek on Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:59am

Jeffrey Griffith wrote:

Your right :D

But it would still give them a little bit beter idea…..right?

Yeah, every bit helps, I should think. smile

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Michael Traven on Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:02am

Jenni Noordhoek wrote:

So the style in which I write it will determine the level of graphicness shown…? I mean, if I don’t say the word ‘blood’ in connection with it, there will be no blood? [using that as a completely random example]

Yes and no.  What I meant was that, if you say “He stabs him with his sword,” it’s going to be fine.  I’d be very careful of trying to censor the blood and violence of a beat within the confines of the script (writing something to make sure that the reader knows that there will be no blood, et al).

It’s really going to come down to your talks with the producer/director.  Get one you trust or you’re screwed even if you write “THERE IS NO BLOOD!”  wink

But what I was talking about when saying that you wouldn’t put anything in there that you didn’t feel comfortable with is that, you’re not going to write “He gores him through the heart, and blood flies into the air.  Covers his face, splatters on his friends.” unless you’re actually trying to get that.

Just write it as it comes - as indefinitely as “He kills him” to as descriptively as “He thrusts his sword into him and pulls it out quickly - a clean kill” (that might actually work to get the message across without heading into censorship).

Jenni Noordhoek wrote:

I just wouldn’t want the other filmmakers who I may not know personally who are working on my script to get it ‘wrong’. I put a lot of time and energy into this script, and it’s now in pieces in various notebooks and pieces of paper and computer files as I try to make new plot decisions, and spend more time and energy on it to bring it to its proper completion…
I’m just a little attached to the project. smile

That’s what screenwriting is.  Unless you’re going to play Rob Rodriguez, you’re going to eventually give your baby to someone else.  And be prepared for disappointment - there is a fair chance they’ll kill it.  But if you find someone who has a good record story-wise, there’s a chance they’ll make it better than you’d ever guessed it could be.  smile

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Jenni Noordhoek on Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:09pm

Eric Boellner wrote:
Jenni Noordhoek wrote:

I just wouldn’t want the other filmmakers who I may not know personally who are working on my script to get it ‘wrong’. I put a lot of time and energy into this script, and it’s now in pieces in various notebooks and pieces of paper and computer files as I try to make new plot decisions, and spend more time and energy on it to bring it to its proper completion…
I’m just a little attached to the project. smile

That’s what screenwriting is.  Unless you’re going to play Rob Rodriguez, you’re going to eventually give your baby to someone else.  And be prepared for disappointment - there is a fair chance they’ll kill it.  But if you find someone who has a good record story-wise, there’s a chance they’ll make it better than you’d ever guessed it could be.  smile

Okay, I think I understand now about the writing style and how that affects the script. Thanks. smile

And the subject of ‘trusting filmmakers’ is over in the other thread in Screenwriting…I just haven’t actually posted yet.  rolleyes

Who’s Rob Rodriguez? (sorry)

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Calix Lewis Reneau on Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:33pm

Robert Rodriguez is a filmmaker who is legendary for retaining creative control over his projects by wearing a multiplicity of hats - writing, directing, producing, editing, scoring, etc.

He famously got his start by making a feature film for less than $7,000 - El Mariachi - shot on film, IIRC, back in the day.

He pals around with Quentin Tarantino (having made several films together) and put together his own production team/facility in Texas to keep geographically separated from Los Angeles to help facilitate his ability to control his productions.

Most importantly, he knows how to make commercially successful films, which is what really undergirds his ability to maintain all of that control…

Cheers,
Calix

(...rebel without a crew…)

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Michael Traven on Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:40pm

What’s funny is that despite Rodriguez’s auterism, he’s credited as co-director with Frank Miller on Sin City.

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Calix Lewis Reneau on Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:03pm

Eric Boellner wrote:

What’s funny is that despite Rodriguez’s auterism, he’s credited as co-director with Frank Miller on Sin City.

That was for two reasons:

One, he wanted to co-direct with Frank Miller, and (IIRC) Frank alone didn’t have the political capital at the time to be solo director on the project, so it was a deal they both dug.

Two, Rodriguez wanted to thumb his nose at the Director’s Guild, who has a rule allowing only one director per film, and (IIRC2) Robert resigned his membership in the DGA in order to do this (or went ficore, if that’s possible w/the DGA, I dunno!)

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Calix

(...and I think Frank then did a fine job on The Spirit, in spite of the bad press and poor reviews…)

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Michael Traven on Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:10pm

Calix Lewis Reneau wrote:

(...and I think Frank then did a fine job on The Spirit, in spite of the bad press and poor reviews…)

Really?  I haven’t seen it, but it looks kinda crappy.  :|

Didn’t know that about Rob and Frank.  I knew that Rob had defied the DGA, didn’t know it was over that.  Haha, ironic if you think about it.  smile

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Re: Violence and fighting in Christian films

by Calix Lewis Reneau on Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:12pm

The Spirit wasn’t brilliant, but it wasn’t totally sucky either.

Don’t get your hopes/expectations up too much, take it as a wacky comic book homage movie that’s intended to be a little camp and over-the-top, and I think you’ll enjoy it.

Cheers,
Calix

(...um… except for all the unlawful elements in it that should be considered, of course…)

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